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Dec. 1, 2005
Mark Rickerby
November 2005 - Restoration in Myra Canyon
Here are recent pics from the restoration of the Myra Canyon trestles. The trestle-only pics were taken on October 20, 2005. The trestle crane pic was taken on November 18, 2005. Trestles 14 & 15 have been completed, with 13 near completion. Progress at the west end with the 30' bent spacing is moving much slower.


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Sept 29, 2005
shannon sears dssears@shaw.ca
lost pannier
on sunday september 25th my dad and i cycled the KVR from Myra Canyon to Penticton. somewhere between the trestle (just west of the parking lot) and the Chute Lake Resort I lost a pannier. it was black and grey, and contained a red MEC riding jacket, black MEC rain pants, an old Reebok shirt and various sundries. if anyone has found it please let me know and i will pay to have it mailed to me!
thanks shannon

Sept. 25 2005
Steve Webb, c-swebb@telus.net,
OK....cat's got your tongues!
Has everyone stopped riding 'cause it's September? Where's those end-of-summer-cyclin'-campfire stories? Heck...I'd settle for listening to someone's changing a flat!
At risk of two threads in a row.....here goes.
My last ride of the year...Brodie/Portia/Princeton/Glenwalker.....always has a different look and feel in the fall....lots of yellow pockets north of the Coquihalla summit, scarlet 'n gold maples putting on an R.C.M.P.-like display to the south.....the smell of decaying leaves on the trail past Ladner Creek (or was that my chamois?)(time for their annual launderin'?)......the thrill of not having to pay the toll at Coquihalla booth (wonder when they'll catch up to us on this one and place a booth down below!).....having to wear an Elmer Fudd touque(?) while sleeping at night.....don't laugh, try it!.....that great ice cream at Coquihalla Campsite just above the Tunnels......trying to get in past your knees in the Similkameen.......
.........someone stop me and take over here!

I have some suggestions for new threads:
- Memorable places that we ate while riding the KVR.....(i.e. Princeton now officially has the best red beet borscht)(Gwen's Red Soup Survey: 2004-5)
- Memorable meals that we gagged over while backcountry camping....but tasted yummy....
- Memorable places that you made-out while riding....ooops...family forum, sorry Dan!
- What kind/style bikes is everyone riding....what worked/didn't.....
- Tires! I used those Bonrager(?) 1.95's....puncture resistant.....great!
- Most disastrous mechanical problem....

In closing, I appreciate meeting folks-from-who-knows-everywhere on the trail, the information and experience shared on this site.....the KVR Trail......the people who keep it ride-ready...I'm gettin'teary..........just think if we all sat around one huge honkin' campfire at the same time....Langford's should set a date? We could burn all our first and second vintage issues of 'Cycling the KVR'.
Rest up the buns.....next riding season will come again soon....thanks All!
Steve

Sept. 14, 2005
Steve Webb, c-swebb@telus.net
Cowichan/Duncan/Shawnigan ride
Hi All, just about time to launder the riding chamois....but not quite! (just one more ride!!). Rode the 'Vancouver Island edition' of the Kettle this week....with the help of Peter, Nick and Ray's info, plus a little back-tracking! Very beautiful ride, easy surface, good access, camping, coffee, enough healthy kilometres to be ride-worthy, several 60km days or so. Trestles, no tunnels though (don''t know what's with that, should have put some in just for fun?), Kinsal Trestle is very worth the visit....something wonderful NEEDS to be done with it....a very awesome-bit-of-engineering....and rather big! Also, they need to allow cyclists to ride through the watershed to Leechtown/Sooke (Galloping Goose Trail) to make a great circuit ride to Tsawassen. Cowichan Valley is beautiful, gets an extra month of summer.....so, heck with this Labour Day quitting riding thing.....no ATV's.....occasional horse, which can leave a hazard when fresh! Put this area on your ride-to-do list PeddlePeople..... .

Cheers, Steve Webb (Vancouver)

Sept. 12, 2005
Ravi @ rsafaya@shaw.ca
Brookmere to Princeton
Dear Dan: Thanks. We had a great trip of Cubs, Scouts, Ventures and Leaders of 5th Coquitlam ( all in 8) . We traveled from Brookmere to Princeton all in one day ( 70 k) . A Cub and Scout did Brookmere to Tulameen only ( 37K) , and rest continued. We had Lunch at Otter Lake camp ground ( off bridge on KVR). We stayed at Forest Service Camp site, at Brodie; exit 250 at Coquihalla Highway and drove to Brookmere via Exit 256. The Brookmere-Tulameen road ( for our safety vehicle) was passable at the time, and had narrowed to one lane at many sections. At Princeton, we stayed at Princeton Castle Resort, off KVR, which is my favorite as it allows you to get on and off the KVR.

Followed your book Trans Canada Trail, a British Columbia Route, which is complimentary to your book. I think any traveler in BC through KVR should use both these books. Plus I had Tachometer on my bike which gave pretty close readings ( I clocked 70 k for 65 k as per the book). I think this one is good to use at it gives you an idea how far we have gone/ or are from the destination.

Also, I thank all those earlier travelers, whom I had called for directions, maps, etc. which helped me to take the "unknown out" of the trip. I learnt this lesson, as previously this July, I completed Princeton-Coalmont and back with 10 youth and adults. Next day I wanted to get on to KVR at Jura station and ride back, but could not find the place. Ended up at Osprey Lake, with 11 youth and adults, and so decided to ride back through Chain Lakes, Three General Stores. At this point we split, as many could not ride the trail since it was turned to sand and very lose surface due to heavy use of ATVs. Only 5 of us continued to ride to Jellicoe ( 76.7 KM) where others would meet us in Van. They could not find the station, nor we found the exit of the KVR per the book. It just happened that we managed to meet them at rt 40, by chance, as we got off from KVR through the back of a house off KVR and they were running up and down the road to locate us. Some of the local residents on the highway they contacted to locate Jellicoe station had no idea where it was! Some nervous moments, but in the end a big laugh, and bear hugs.

I would like to share this with readers as it might help some one, as some of the messages on the forum has helped me and my group.

Thanks Dan , for such a wonderful resource for KVR travelers. Ravi @ rsafaya@shaw.ca

Sept 7, 2005
MK / JS
ATV's and other motorized vehicles
I don't mind sharing the trail with responsible drivers, as many are, but ...

A few weeks ago, I saw first-hand a well-concealed dirt bike driver come around the long blind curve at Glen Fir (between Penticton and Chute Lake) at well above the posted 30KM speed limit. The driver then proceeded to JUMP the bike over a small mound (where a culvert had been installed on the trail). We were riding bicycles with children -- how much more obnoxious could that driver have been?

It is also very common to see large piles of gravel swirled up in "doughnuts" -- clearly, there are people out there who don't know trail etiquette.

How can one report such incidents of concern? Not easily, as one cannot see the well-concealed rider's identity (full helmets, clothing, etc.) AND there is NO license plate on many vehicles.

I later talked with a KVR volunteer maintenance person (from naramata area) who told us that at a meeting last year, the provincial government representative told the local Naramata parks board that the province (ie the state) might not be providing future funding for their local trail insurance IF they continue to allow vehicular traffic on that portion of the trail.

so, the province apparently wants the KVR trail to be self-propelled, but the local groups (like Naramata parks, an offshoot of the regional district www.rdos.bc.ca ) apparently don't care about vehicles.

I think that what it will take to change their minds is a lawsuit, and from what I've witnessed, it might not be too long before someone innocent is injured seriously by an unisured vehicle operated by an irresponsible driver.

So, if you're concerned about this issue, then you know that the way to get heard is thru' people's budgets (ie money talks). Email the province. Tell the province what your tourist dollars are NOT going to support any longer. www.gov.bc.ca.

The other solution is similar to what one sees in the popular United States national forests. Yes, off-road vehicles are welcome in designated areas (that's fair), AND they MUST be plated and insured. (that's fair too) After all, if one's ATV / dirt bike is involved in an incident, don't you think you would want the protection of some insurance?

Meanwhile, I am sorry to hear that visitors have had their precious holiday experiences disrupted by irresponsible, possibly unlicensed and uninsured vehicular traffic on the so-called Trans Canada Trail. Clearly, a few are giving the rest a bad name.

Sept 5, 2005
Calvin Allen
Summerland to Otter lake
We just completed the sectiopn between Summerland and Otter lake. The trip was excellent and we had a great time. We plan on doing other sections next year! We stayed at Country Lane campsite the first night and at Coalmont for the second night. Our only complaint is that the ATV's and Motor Bikes are wrecking the trail for others. Even in places that were posted for "No" ATV's we saw many on the trail, The trails will need to be fixed, very loose gravel is very hard to ride on, or the the bikes will stop using the trail in this section. The damage has been done and will need fixing. Many people on the trail that we talked to said the same thing about the trail condition. The trip was great and we will be doing more riding next year.

August 31, 2005
Steve Webb (in Vancouver)c-swebb@telus.net
Merritt to Spences Bridge leg
Hi all, nice to read everyone's recent adventure postings! Sounds like everyone has earned their debateable-leather-like-fruit-snacks and PowerAde bevies!
Myself...I seem to lose ten pounds easy on a ride....only to gain it back ultra-quickly at the Blue Moose in Hope before making it home! (should rename it the 'Dangermoose Deli' ).
Just rode the Merritt to Spence s Bridge leg.....and believe me, every loose-bit-o-gravel was in exactly the same spot as it has been for years....only looser! Snappin' hot....tough to find shade behind the tumbleweed....I swear I saw Clint Eastwood whistling the theme from Hang 'em High!
Don't ever expect to get a good night's sleep in Spences Bridge, cosily nestled between the Jakebrakes of Hwy 1, CP Rail, CN Rail, all alternating on a tight twenty-minute all-night time schedule! Good food/company at the old hotel though.
Has anyone else done this section lately.....Michelle, did you ride it?
Dan 'n Sandra.....sounds like a fourth issue of the book is needed after comments of a recent thread....I'm going to need a separate Bobtrailer just to pack all issues!!!! I think I know the Ol' KVR pretty intimately.....but ALWAYS take the book....it's ALWAYS needed.....a good bit 'o work you guys, thanks! Appreciate everyone's info! Cowichan ride next.......no ATV's......yee-ha! (did I just jinx myself?).
Steve Webb

August 27, 2005
David Greer, davidgreer@shaw.ca
August 27, 2005
Brookmere to Jellicoe Station
Ride from Brookmere to Tulameen is pleasant, took us about four hours of relaxed cycling. Some washboarding in the stretch closest to Brookmere but manageable. My 35 mm tires were the widest I could fit on my touring bike so I was slower than my companions -- probably best to heed those who advise at least 50 mm for maximum comfort and traction. Hard to enjoy the scenery when you have to concentrate on the next few yards of the trail. We found the RV campground on the lake at Tulameen, end of the main street, an excellent place to tent ($20 for out two tents on one site) and the cheeseburgers they made us when we arrived about 8 pm were very welcome.

Tulameen to Princeton was the most delightful part of the ride both because the trail was fairly good and the Tulameen River is very picturesque and has some inviting-looking swimming holes with clear water. En route, we stopped at the Coalmont Hotel at about 10 but were told it didn't open till 12, signs to the contrary notwithstanding. Another sign at the town entrance warns off encyclopedia salesmen and women, the latter due to the "predominance of bachelors". May be outdated but forewarned is forearmed. A coyote crossed our path at one point and several deer and slow-witted grouse appeared on the trail as well, also magpies and Steller's jays.

Princeton features a Subway and Dairy Queen for non-purists. And then a very long, very gradual climb all the way to Jellicoe Station through Ponderosa pine and grassland turning to forest closer to Jellicoe. Be sure to take an abundance of water -- any lakes or streams on the maps in this stretch are purely an illusion in August. The last sandy stretch from Jura to Jellicoe is hell for narrow tires and somewhat less so for better equipped bikes. We saw very few ATVs (midweek) but presumably they have contributed to the very sandy conditions and firming up of this section of the trail would be a welcome priority. The B&B at Jellicoe Station is a gem with cooking out of this world, featuring a luscious selection of Darlene's preserves in addition to sumptuous fare that will fill the most bottomless stomach. Tent or splurge and get a cabin (approx $50 includes bed, dinner and breakfast and is a real bargain) . And be prepared for the 1.5 k climb up the hill from the trail exit to the Jellicoe Station B&B -- well worth it, but a bit of a grind at the end of a long day. No bachelors at the Jellicoe Station B&B and encyclopedia salesmen are apparently welcome. I took advantage of the shuttle service at Jellicoe Station to get back to Brookmere, my companions with the wider tires continued on to Summerland.

August 26, 2005
Al Hutchings
ATV's
Hello from Manitoba folks ..

As a future visitor /user of the KVR trail and after reading the numerous posts here re inconsiderate ATV riders etc I 'd like to suggest that someone contact your local RCMP or the Minister of Tourism in your province to see where they both stand on the issue of ATV's dirtbikes destroying the trail.

Not that an out - of - province voice will carry more weight than local folks but I can assure you I will be contacting the above - mentioned parties to hear what their take is on the issue and how they plan on dealing with the issue .

I'll make it very clear that I know a lot of cyclists who are interested in doing parts / all of the trail but are seriously considering not bothering due to safety concerns, all the tourism dollars lost , etc ..

All the best to you folks and I hope I can help make a difference here ..!

August 26, 2005
Dave Wodchis
trails and book notes
Dan and Sandra. Thanks for writing the book, but I have a few suggestions for you and hope my frankness and honesty doesn't sting too much - it's not meant to - it's just my way of talking. Your book is also currently the only one out there that focusses on the railbeds, so you can just click delete now if you want.

Overall the ride is a great ride - but most cyclists I met from everywhere were giving the entire Penticton to Midway section a miss as a result of the Myra section being a diversion over a logging road.

Please edit the amount of pictures, edit the amount of gates that you list, and try and line up the maps with more of the km notes in the book. I understand the warning on the back cover regarding the meticulous attention to detail, but gate gate gate and my eyes start to blur. Then I miss something that says "trail badly chewed up in both directions for SEVERAL KILOMETERS" around the Pine Valley Horse Farm. I'm riding a bike, not going to bed the night before memorizing page after page of notes on the next 80 kms. You really should have a note about 10 kms in either direction that the trail is going to be almost completely unrideable in this section. It was brutal - worse than any part of riding to Mount Everest.

I don't have the book anymore, so all of this is from memory.

The Coquihalla section is confusing. I ended up just jumping on the Coquihalla from somewhere around Lear and then going on the Terasen section until Coquihalla (where that campground and what they call a lodge which is really just some sleeping cabins is under new ownership and charges $28 for one person to tent, and carries Mr. Noodle packages or chocolate bars as their sole stock of food. They say they may not have camping in the future and they shouldn't be missed - better to camp just inside the Terasen area or make it up to the Brodie area). From Coquihalla, the rest station has a concession, but then there is pretty well nothing until CoalMont with water in Brookmere being reccommended to be boiled for at least ten minutes. I also found the section from Coquihalla to Brodie confusing, so again just jumped on the highway. You may also want to make a note that water in the section just south of Coquihalla is difficult to find for the first few kms, appearring and disa ppearring for long stretches in the mid-summer(late July onwards)

At Larson Hill exit, could you give a clear indication that all you do is take the turnoff and turn right - go back down the hill you just climbed on the highway, look to your left and head off on the trail that leads to the right across the bridge. From there straight through to Summerland, it's pretty straight forward, and again less meticulous attention to detail in the book would be appreciated, just the landmarks (that really are there and not overgrown with so much brush that you would never know without reading the book), an elevation grid, places to stay, and a km line.

You can still rough camp(an ironic term when there is a nice clean outhouse nearby and a picnic table onsite) on Otter Lake. Lake Thirsk is a delightful and very quiet place to camp - again the above described type of 'rough camping". I also stayed in a couple of B&B's, a hotel, and a couple of motels, but not in any other private campgrounds after the Coquihalla experience.

The C&W is another section that is rideable without much other than an elevation graph and a km grid - actually one of my favorite parts of the whole ride, including camping at the summitt.

Overall, it is a good ride, but the book is too heavy with too much detail like the amount of gates and information about stuff that there is absolutely no indication of ever existing other than the notes in your book. I mean - what are we supposed to be doing as we're riding along? Closely monitor our cyclometers and at km xxy.y stop and pull out the book and read - oh at one time there was a post here, or quite possibly on the other side of that ridge is the remains of the foundation of a water tower?

Why don't you take out half the detail that doesn't really matter and write the book in both directions? Or make a big note that unless there is a note otherwise, that there will be gates, and gates are meant to be opened and shut behind you?

Anyway - I acknowledge that you did do a lot of work and make a lot of notes, write the book and get it published, even if I think it is a rather heavy book for the amount of ground that it covers. I just sometimes felt that you were writing it for historians and surveyors rather than cyclists. Dave Wodchis

August 24, 2005
DiAnne ianday@rcabletv.com
Chute Lake
I know that Chute Lake resort is closed. I remember that there was a small campground at the end of the lake. Does anyone know what that campground is like? Is there potable water? What does it cost? Are there other places to stay in that general vicinity? We are doing the section of trail from Rock Creek to Penticton again this year. WE have not done it since before the fires wiped out Myra Canyon. Is there a clear concise detailed map of the bypass??How much time does it add to the trip? Is it a difficult bypass? Anyone with any information please email me

August 18, 2005
Re: new B&B on KVR
Darrell Brewer
Hi Dan, Yes! I have a website (parts are still under construction) but it is there. I still have to add more photos etc. www.kvrcycleinn.com

August 17, 2005
Al Moir shooter@acncanada.net
Cycling the KVR - Preferred Route for Scenery/ Tunnels and Trestles
A group of us are planning to ride some sections of the KRV route next summer (July/Aug 06). We're thinking about something along a 3-5 day ride and although we're all cycling enthusiasts we're real rookies when it comes to knowing about which are the best routes on the KVR, in terms of both scenery and for tunnels/tressels. Can anyone provide a recommendation as to which route(s) would be most scenic and would generate a fantastic cycling experience ? Regards: Al Moir

August 15, 2005
Shelly Hayes, info@purplehayes.bc.ca
Steam Railway Bypass trail
Greetings from Chilliwack, Does anyone have information on the bypass trail around the active railway at Summerland? My schedule doesn't permit me to take the KV Steam train and the 3rd edition book mentions that in 2001 a bypass trail was made. Summerland Chamber of Commerce wasn't sure about this trail but I'd rather a trail than the detour on the roads outlined in the book. Thanks, Shelly
August 8, 2005
Michelle Eisele meisele@telus.net
Brodie to Merrit?
Hi, Is it possible to ride the entire length of the Brodie to Merritt spur these days?. Has anyone ridden this section recently? Does the native band allow travelers to go through their lands on the railbed or is it still necessary to detour along the Coldwater road? What about the reserves along the NK&K from Merritt to Spences Bridge. Do I need to get permission from the bands first? I'm hoping to cycle from Brodie to Spences Bridge in August so any insights and tips for these sections would be appreciated.

August 7, 2005
Michelle Eisele meisele@telus.net
Coquihalla Lakes to Othello Tunnels Road - KVR/TCT
Last week I drove up to the toll booth, parked by the restrooms, and cycled along the KVR/TCT from Coquihalla Lakes to Othello Tunnels Road. Where my Greyhound buddies picked me up by the side of the highway and took me back to my car. The Greyhound pickup was nice but unfortunately not available to the average person. I drive for them so other drivers are often happy to do favours like that for me.

I did the whole Castlegar to Hope trip a few years back but I had skipped the pipeline road due to fact that they didn't want us on there back then. So I just had to go back to "complete" the trip. I did the trip with my wide slicks but there are some short sections where knobbies might be more appropriate. It's a tradeoff either way.

The Coquihalla Summit Trail (Pipeline road) is one of the most spectacular sections I've done. No traffic, BEAUTIFUL scenery, and one valley over from the freeway. Just be prepared for a bit of a stiff headwind blowing up the valley at times. Make sure you don't miss the little turnoff into the woods about 15km or so down the pipeline road, just where the road starts to steepen substantially going downhill. There's a small TCT sign there. It looks like a pretty rotten trail at first but it's only a very short push up the hill to rejoin the railbed. Then you're on a flat, shady forested trail, complete with a great lunch spot beside a tiny waterfall.

Once you come back out to the freeway after about 22km, the TCT signage is severely lacking to say the least. Just go left immediately after crossing the gate onto the pavement and stay on the east side of the freeway. You should be able to see a tiny TCT sign if you squint hard enough! This leads you to a gravel access road with some nice steep descents. Cross over to the west side of the freeway once you're at the Carolyn Mines exit. Wheel, push, drag, sweat your bike up the steep gravel road which goes back north at first but it allows access to the railbed. You'll be rewarded with the Jessica area which is an amazing quiet, easy rail trail ride in the woods.

Unless I missed something you then have to get onto the highway for a while until you come to the checkered red and white tower on the east side of the highway where you can leave the highway onto Othello Road, but from the northbound lanes only. Another option is to cross under the highway at Sowaqua Creek. Follow the gravel service road to the end at the river, ford the river if the water level is low, and then resume the gravel access road on the other side all the way to the Othello Tunnels exit. I didn't ford the river myself but it doesn't look too deep at this time of year. Ford at your own risk.
Michelle Eisele Vancouver, BC

August 7, 2005
Ryan Carlson
ATVs
Hello, this past long weekend was my first experience on the KVR. My girlfriend and I biked from Penticton to Coalmont and then back to Princeton, all the while enjoying the beautiful backcountry. As first-timers we had our worries like everybody else; wild animals, having enough food,water&supplies, dangerous sections on the trail, etc. But we never ended up worrying about any of those things, it turned out that the worst hazard was the arrogant ATVers. From unbikable sections of the trails ripped up from their tires, their noise pollution disturbing nature, and worrying about getting hit around sharp corners (not to mention getting hit period), they made their presence known.

We saw all sorts of automobiles on the trail; quads, motorbikes, a truck, and usually in great numbers flying down the trail towards you, sometimes speeding up as they drove past you. We even witnessed them driving their dirty oily ATVs through the Tulameen River. At first we rode proudly side by side down the trails not making it easy for them to get by, sending the message that they did not belong on the trail. But soon our nerves were shot, realizing how dangerous it was to remain on the trail as they flew past you, dragging their clouds of dust and rocks with them. After a while any site or sound of them sent us safely off the trail to let them pass. We did manage to really enjoy the KVR though, during the early morning hours when everything was peaceful and quiet.

Cyclists should not have to worry about theses things. We shouldn't have to stress at every blind corner we turn. I'm not so sure that gates designed to allow only cycles would eliminate this problem on their own. There are so many private roads and access points along the trail that these gates could never keep all ATVs off the trail. I noticed that certain sections of the trail (depending on the community that managed them) were void of any ATVs, probably due to a combination of gates&rocks, and the vigilant attitudes by the community to keep the trails clear of ATVs. I would recommend cycling the KVR, but I would also like to warn anyone interested about the dangers ATVs pose and the threat they pose to your enjoyment of these unique trails.

August 2, 2005
Lynn Low
ATVs on the KVR
I have just returned from a biking holiday with friends. I am sad to say what is usually a very pleasurable annual holiday was spoiled by some extremely inconsiderate people.

This year we cycled the portion from Jellicoe Station to Thrist Lake and then from Jellicoe station to Jura Station. That is approximately 84 km's total.. We stayed in a local bed and breakfast and also did a winery tour. Obviously we spent a few dollars and contributed to the tourist industry.

Unfortuneately our cylcling trip was marred by the fact that so many sports recreation vehicles also use this portion of the Kettle Valley Trail. As we cycled along enjoying the peace and fabulous scenery a motorized vehicle was never far away. The speed at which these vehicles passed us resulted in a lot of flying rocks, sand and dust. On every curve we were potentially in danger of being hit by a motorscycle or recreation vehicle

The wheels of these recreation vehicles have churned the trail into about six inches of loose sand. It is very unpleasant and difficult to try and bicycle in sand. At the end of each day we were physically and mentally exhaused. The combination of poor cycling conditions and consant fear of being struck by a vehicle or the aftermath of flying rocks as the R.V.'s passed us left us very dissapointed.

This is our fourth year of cycling a different portion of the Kettle Valley Railway each year. Never have we seen such a debaucle in regards to the R.V.'s abusing this portion of the trail. The other sections of the trail we have travelled in previous years have left us wanting to come back. This year is certainly the exception.

Why has this abuse of the K.V.R. been allowed to happen? There must be some regulations regarding the use of this wonderful trail.

Our host at the bed and breakfast tells us that the people on recreation vehicles destroying the trail are most likely locals as there is no rental companies in the area. These thoughtless people could be driving away the tourist dollar with their selfishness.

The four of us intend to cycle a different section of the K.V.R. next year. We will be in the same area. I sincerely hope that my plea for regulation will not fall on deaf ears. I hope that next year we will see some change in this upsetting situation.

I thank you for your time in reading this. Sincerely, Lynn Low


August 2, 2005
Yvonne Colebert
ATVs on the KVR


Good day, I am sending this message to as many people I can, because I feel that there is a problem that needs to be dealt with.

For the last five years my husband and I as well as another couple have been cycling portions of the KVR.  We are not hard core cyclist, just individuals whom have been trying to do as much of the trail as possible and have made it into an adventure of an enjoyable weekend, of wine touring and biking, staying in bed and breakfast.    

This year we cycled the portion from Jellicoe Station to Thrist Lake and then from Jellicoe station to Jura Station.  Basically 84 km’s total.  What we discovered to our greatest disappointment was that the ATV’s and motor bikes are on the trail and have turned up the dirt so that it is almost impossible to cycle.  It is like cycling on loose sand on the beach.  Not only are they hazardous, they are careless.  Most of them do not slow down and we ended up eating their dust.  One motorcyclist almost wiped out because he was going to fast came around a corner, and there we were.

I understand that they are not suppose to be on the KVR and I feel that it should be enforced.  It was very difficult riding, extremely tiring. 

As far as I’m concern, the whole concept of the KVR is loosing it’s appeal and those from other parts of the world that come to do the cycling, will spread the word that it is not worth the trip and the local tourist (Bed & Breakfast)(wineries) and local towns will loose the money generated from these travelers.

This is what I have found on one of the site, however, I don’t see it being enforced:

F. Trail Use

Most farmers would like to see the trail as a totally non-motorized corridor (no ATV's, motorcycles or snowmobiles. Safety of other trail users (bikers and hikers) was one of their key concerns along with the experience of some motorized vehicle users leaving the trail grade, sometimes by cutting a passage in the fence, to access fields and range land for recreation and hunting. Farmers recognize both the political issues involved (many motorized vehicle users live in the respective areas and support the trial), as well as the technical problems (how do you keep ATV's and motorcycles out and allow bicycles and horseback riders in?) Recognizing those problems, they still encourage the province and Trails B.C. to move quickly towards a non-motorized use only policy for the Trans Canada Trail where it passes through agricultural areas. This is generally consistent with current management agreements.

If a clear "non-motorized use" policy is adopted and promoted, methods of restricting these vehicles will have to be developed. As part of this project, we suggested that 4-foot wide, self-closing passage gates be installed where fences cross the trail. A design and prototype have been developed by Katim Enterprises. One option would be to make sure that these gates are too narrow to permit ATV's and snowmobiles to pass through. Another option, in addition to restricted passage gates, would be to install rocks or posts at critical points such as trestles that again would provide a passage width that is too narrow for ATV's and Snowmobiles.

**We found that the center posts were gone and the ATV’s were able to go through the posts.  We even met up with a vehicle on the trail, whom went through the tunnel.

"Trail" type motorcycles present a different challenge. Passages wide enough for bicycles would also allow most trail bikes to pass through as well. The best solution may be to have concrete or other solid barricades across the trail at critical points such as trestles and passage gates at road crossings. These would have to be high enough to discourage trail bikes, but be low enough for bicycle users to be able to "lift" their bikes over the barricade.

Recommendations:

vi. Trails B.C. and local TCT Trail groups should continue efforts to reduce and eventually eliminate use of the trail by motor vehicles and by motorized recreation vehicles such as ATV's, motorcycles and snowmobiles in agricultural areas.

vii. If a clear policy to limit motorized vehicles on the trail, passage gates, "lift over" and rock or post barricades should be installed to prevent motorized vehicle use.

 

I would appreciate hearing from all of you that you have received this email.   We plan on going back to the Princeton area next August long weekend to continue our adventure of the trails and hope that some of our concerns will have been answered.

Yvonne Colebert

July 31, 2005
Michelle Eisele, michelle_eisele@yahoo.ca,
Coquihalla KVR and TCT
I cycled from the toll booth to the Othello Tunnels exit recently. That was the only section of the KVR/TCT which I skipped on my Castlegar to Hope trip several years ago.

| The Coquihalla Summit Trail (pipeline road) is absolutely spectacular. Over 20km's of peaceful and deserted cycling, one valley over from the freeway. It's mostly gentle downhill with a few short climbs to rejoin the railbed. Just be ready for a stiff headwind blowing up the valley at times. Also make sure you don't miss the trail into the woods about 14km along the way. It's just where the road starts to descend steeply. There's a TCT sign and the trail levels out onto a beautiful wooded area along the original railbed after only a very short push up the hill.

Once you come out back to the freeway look hard to your left for the TCT sign on the east side of the freeway. I missed it and ended up on the freeway for a while. A trail, then a service road with a short, steep descent takes you to the Carolyn Mines exit. Make sure you grunt your way back up the northbound access road to rejoin the railbed. It's on the west side of the freeway. You'll be rewarded with another easy rail trail along the Jessica section.

Just after crossing back to the east side of the freeway the trail abruptly ends at the Coquihalla River. The water was very low and you might be able to push your bike through the river. Just be sure you know what you're doing and cross at your own risk. Don't cross after heavy rains. Otherwise you'll have to use the freeway shoulder starting at Sowaqua Creek.

You're now on another mostly flat gravel service road. It joins up with a paved access road near the red and white tower by the freeway. The access road connects with the Othello Tunnels Road which takes you through the tunnels (when open) and on down to Hope.

It's a trip well worth doing if you can arrange transportation at both ends. Michelle Eisele


July 31, 2005
Michelle Eisele, michelle_eisele@yahoo.ca,
Brodie To Spences Bridge - Questions
Hi all, I'm hoping to cycle from Brodie to Spences Bridge in August. Do I have to ask for permission from the native bands beforehand? If so, does anyone know which bands to contact? Are there some sections where the bands are refusing passage? Thanks for the info. Michelle Eisele

July 17, 2005
Kelly Cairns, ski_bike_paddle@hotmail.com
Lost Tent and Bulldog Tunnel Repaired
My Walrus brand 1-person tent (black stuff sack and beige and yellow tent) fell off the back of my bike on July 12 while cycling south on the KVR between Wilkinson Creek (north of Beaverdell) and Midway. We carried on to Christina Lake and then returned home on July 15. We retraced our steps between Paul Lautard's rest stop and Beaverdell (the most likely section where it fell off) but did not find it. If anyone has found it, pls e-mail me. P.S. This tent has been lost on the KVR once before and was found and eventually made its way back. Can we get lucky again? Thanks everyone. By the way, we met two Swiss cyclists who had passed through the Bulldog tunnel on the 11th or 12th of July and found it had been repaired.

 K Cairns
July 13, 2005
Graham
Camp between Castlegar and Tunnel Station?
Does anyone know if it is possible to camp between Castlegar and Tunnel Station? I’m considering a family trip (w/child of 9), and with the detour or rock-fall pass in the tunnel I’d like to cover this ground in two days. Any advice would be appreciated.
July 13, 2005
Darrell Brewer
New B&B at Osprey
Hi Dan, Darrell Brewer here. We have just completed renovating one whole floor of our beautiful home for B&B ers. I have registered the business as Cycle Inn. My website is not up yet, but my sign for KVR is almost ready. I am located between Jellicoe Station and the Friesian Ranch. (Between trestle and tunnel) It is exactly 3.5 km from KVR intersection at Aspen Planer access Road to Summerland Hwy. We are on highway @ 2216 (about 23 km from Princeton). My phone number is 250 295 0569

July 13, 2005
Louise www.idabellake.com
McCulloch Lake Resort
McCulloch Lake Resort is still closed for this season and those needing accommodations and some sort of a meal package please contact Louise at 250-765-0228. Still have some room left for July, Aug and into Sept. Also check out the Web Site: www.idabellake.com .


July 10, 2005
MarkRickerby
This update on Bulldog Tunnel is current as of July 10, 2005.
Bulldog Tunnel is indeed passable; in the past week, a cyclist or two has passed through daily between July 1 and July 10. The fallen debris (rock and creosote timbers) runs side to side in the tunnel, and is max 1.5m in height and 5m in length. As of this writing there has been no indication of cleanup by TCT or the local rails-to-trails groups (and not a sign of the self-described, ubiquitous ATV trail "shepherds" per earlier exchanges on this site!). One can appreciate TCT jitters viz liability, so the signage at Paulson, Farron, the Tunnel portals, etc., is understandable. My view is that a passing cyclist will not bring down any more debris, though certainly not the case for a passing train, motor vehicle or herd of ATV!

Agree with Dan re use of switchbacks as an alternative to the Tunnel. If coming from Farron, use the road which formerly connected Paulson-Dog Creek-Peter Creek-Bulldog Mtn Lookout-Renata as a means of diverting from the rail grade to the switchbacks (shown on Dan's map as "Road"). Coming from Farron, about a km or so west of Tunnel siding watch on the uphill side for this old road (still well-used by ATVs, hunters, etc) which is indicated on Dan's map as a line trailing off the Wye next to the word "Switchbacks". This is your only way to reach the switchbacks and on to the other side with a bicycle; to go up through the bush from Tunnel siding can be done only on foot with a machete or axe (I do it each year and come out cut to ribbons by the brush). The eastern cluster of switchbacks on Dan's map connect to this Paulson-Renata road as well. About 100m east of the east portal, look for a similar trail on the downhill or Arrow Lake side of the rail bed -- this trail (built on to the first switchback from the old main line) runs downhill (wrong way!) to the old Brooklyn townsite (and, now, a small number of private properties) and swings back uphill to the cluster of switchbacks and connection to the Paulson-Renata road. Allow 60-90 minutes to traverse Bulldog Mtn via this combination of trails, switchbacks and old roadway. And note to Steve Webb re "Provincial monies" -- on the C&W between Paulson and Tunnnel there has been significant new culvert work, grading, drainage ditching, and brushing, and word of bridge decking between Coykendahl and Castlegar.





East end of Bulldog on July 5


West end of Bulldog on July 5


July 10, 2005
John Kerr
Bulldog Tunnel rockfall
Is there any further news about the rockfall in the Bulldog Tunnel? Last post was on July 3. Is there any intention to make the tunnel passable in the near future or will it be closed like the Adra Tunnel? Is the entrance to the switchbacks marked in any way? Finally, an the switchbacks be used to go around the tunnel. It didn't seem as if anyone really knew if they were passable. Thanks.

July 9, 2005
Darrell Brewer
Cycle Inn
We have just completed renovating one whole floor of our beautiful home for B&B ers. I have registered the business as Cycle Inn. My website is not up yet, but my sign for KVR is almost ready. I am located between Jellicoe Station and the Friesian Ranch. (Between trestle and tunnel) It is exactly 3.5 km from KVR intersection at Aspen Planer access Road to Summerland Hwy. We are on highway @ 2216 (about 23 km from Princeton).

July 9, 2005
Nick Lanfear, thanfear@yahoo.com,
interior trails
Hi Dan & friends, As said below I have done the other interior trails from your book recently.

INCREDIBLE WILDFLOWERS ALL OVER THE KOOTENAYS, I have never seen it like this!

The South Slocan-Slocan trail was great: Very scenic along the river, well sign posted and completely flat! Only downside was some coarse fill over roughly 25% of the route.The provincial money is starting to show here. The only hotel left in Slocan is the Slocan inn as the other place has had a fire & is being repaired. Rooms are very basic but only cost $45. One can get a twice daily local bus back to their car for only $2.50! They have a bike carrier on the front as well. Check out BC transit's website for details.

The Troup-Salmo railgrade was good too. All bridges have been clad, and signposts are common although they don't tell you where you are per say (at least you know you are still on the grade!). Surface conditions were good with some overgrown stretches near the summit. For $9 Greyhound will take you back to Nelson.

Three-Forks to Nakusp: The galena trail is in nice shape from 3 forks through to Roseberry. After Rosberry the trail is very scenic along the lake with many wet patches. About 10KM from Roseberry you come to a gravel pit right in the trail's path, you must bear hard left and will then see a connector has been made: signed simply "trail". Sadly, after this the trail deteriorates badly becoming very overgrown and covered in up to a foot of water in places. If it was not for 4-wheeler traffic the railgrade would have been swallowed up by the trees. This situation only improves at Summit lake and the trail is OK from there on in to Nakusp. I would say apart from the initial & final bits of this trail travel is not recommended. Much money needs to be spent. Again there is a local BC transit bus that will take you back to your car from Nakusp (if in Roseberry or New Denver). Price $2, no bikes allowed. A bike carrier is on line for September apparently.

By the way, I travelled the KVR from OK falls to Penticton yesterday & the part through the Indian reserve is wide open, no berms/gates or signs. Very scenic & I urge all in the area to capitalize on this situation while it lasts!

Happy trails, Nick

July 5, 2005
Bruce Merit www.ospreylakeretreat.ca
Osprey Lake Retreat
Just a little note to let you in on a new B&B in operation on the KVR. it is the Osprey lake Retreat and is located on Osprey Lake, close to the halfway point between Summerland and Princeton.
Please check out my web site at www.ospreylakeretreat.ca

July 4, 2005
Bruce
lawnmowers
The Midway to Rock creek railtrail needs a fine haircut as the weeds and grass is chest high in spots mostly towards the Rock creek end. Other than that is poor signage as to where the the trail actually goes . On the other hand I guess I may buy the book and know it all so I can find my way. Whom does one talk to about cutting a swath thru the trail? Thanks Bruce ,( Surrey B.C. )

July 3, 2005
Dirk Terpstra dirk@footloosecanada.com
Bulldog Tunnel Closed
A serious rockfall near the Castlegar end, apparently caused by recent heavy rains, has made the Bulldog Tunnel unsafe for travel. Assessment crews are expected to check the tunnel conditions during the week of June 27 - 30.
I crossed the tunnel on June 21, 1 day after this happened, with 10 bikers. We managed to get through safely. We had to cross a 5 feet high pile of debris while watching the ceiling above us... My advise? don't go here now. I keep you posted.




June 29, 2005
DiAnne
Brookmere to Hope in August
I am planning on completing the last section of the KVR I have left to do in the early part of August. Is anyone planning on doing that section of trail during that time? Once I get to Hope I will probably be riding on to Blaine Washington to meet family and friends there. I would prefer not to ride alone so if anyone needs a riding partner for that last section of trail please let me know.

June 28, 2005
John john.garratt@vch.ca
Myra Canyon By-pass
I completed the KVR this last weekend 24th-26th June.
The by-pass was very very muddy. Heavy equipment had churned up some of the road. It looks like the are putting down to gravel on part of the trail, until thsi is compacted this is difficult to ride on.
Do not take a trailer since it will be difficult to negotiate the muddy sections. Though with the work that's being done and the summer sun drying things out things should improve. It is very remote up there and I did not see anybody, so travel with a partner.
A good effort to help cyclists complete the full tour

June 24, 2005
KETTLE VALLEY RAILROAD BIKE TRAIL PASSPORT CO. www.kvrbiketrailpassport.com. kvrpassport@telus.net
Some Trail Updates
The cycling season is once again in full swing. The KVR Trail suffered a Big Set Back when the Trestles burnt in 03. We have been told that this year will be slow again, but will start to build next year and become heavy towards 2010 for the Spirit of 2010 Trail network and the Winter Olympics.
The new Myra Canyon Bypass Trail is do-able. They are still adding gravel and a few more culverts. Visit www.trailsbc.ca for By-pass map. Trestle #18 is finished with 5 more to be rebuilt in 05.
The Bulldog Tunnel near Castlegar is closed due to a serious rockfall caused by recent heavy rain. Assessment crews are expected June 27-30.
As of April, the Othello Tunnels and canyon N. of Hope have been closed for rock scaling work. The detour trail is available Eastword up Kawkawa Lk. Rd. (at Kettle Valley Rd) to Othello Rd. and stay on Othello Rd. heading towards Hwy 5.
McCullock Lake is STILL closed for all of 05. Accommodations are available at Idabel Lake. (Louise Middlemiss…250-765-0228 or www.idabellake.com
Doreen at Chute Lake Resort is open as always.
The Beaverdell Hotel has new owners. Welcome to Tash and Ty. Also Beaverdell has a new facility offering 2 Public washrooms, a PAY FOR USE Shower and a wonderful PAY FOR USE 2 person Jetted Tub. The Westbridge store is still closed.
The Trans. Canada Trail Challenge event is on July 10 from the Otter Valley near Brookmere to Princeton on the KVR grade for cyclists,walkers, runners & equestrians. Contact Jim Stolth of Princeton at 250-295-3735 or backroads@uniserve.com. Volunteers & participants needed.
There has been a lot of time and money put into to KVR Trail this year…..heavy Machinery work, lots of blazing out of trail and new signage should be showing up all along the trail.

We know that the momentum is building. Getting stronger. Please be patient.

June 17, 2005
Stephen Webb c-swebb@telus.net
Provincial Monies
Hi All, thanks for the latest info.
Last fall, the TCTrail was allotted Provincial monies to improve or 'dress' the trail surface all the way from Vancouver Island to CastlegarTown and beyond. Has anyone seen evidence of improvements anywhere...or is it too soon?
I'm just reading about a lot of washboard!
Am I misinformed regarding this money?
Steve-in-Vancouver

June 17, 2005
Nick Lanfear, thanfear@yahoo.com,
Kootenay railtrails
Does anyone have any recent experiences on the Salmo-Nelson (Nelson & Fort Sheppard line), South Slocan-Slocan (Columbia & Kootenay line) or 3 Forks-Nakusp (Nakusp & Slocan line) railtrails.
We are planning to ride these in early July so any info would be appreciated.
Thanks Nick

June 15, 2005
Bob Fuller bobfuller@shaw.ca
Brookmere to Penticton
Our scout group is planning a 5 day ride from Brookmere to Penticton in mid July (with vehicle support for the gear). We have read the book but have some questions. We are looking for a place to leave vehicles (perhaps stay a night before we start) in Brookmere. Suggestions? Cooley Creek Lodge has closed.
Do the forest service campgrounds get overcrowded in the Princeton to Penticton section (Chain - Osprey lake)? Will we have trouble getting a spot?
Are the roads b/w Brookmere and Tulameen and Chain Lake - Summerland passable with a passenger van? Thanks for any comments or suggestions

June 15, 2005
Luike Siragusa
Paulson Detour Rd. to Castlegar
Dan, thanks for the response. Just a quick reply: I'm midway through my trip and posting this at Nelson. I hopped on the KVR from the Paulson Detour Rd and rode it out to Castlegar. Casualties: One pinch flat on ballast 5 KM from Castlegar. Extensive work on the trestles is in progress as I type. It's now possible to ride over most of them. My internet time is running out. Bye for now

June 15, 2005
Lianne Carley
KVR news and updates Merritt to Princeton
We parked at Princeton (stayed at the Cedars Motel...great owners by the way and only $45!). Arranged for a shuttle from Tualameen Tours (also excellent) to take us to Merritt. Then rode from Merritt to Brodie on Day 1 and Brodie to Princeton on Day 2. Brookmere to Princeton wasn't too bad, although there were a couple of confusing points as to which way to go and one angry dog that we had to outride. Merritt to Brookmere was actually quite confusing, trail not in great shape, washouts, a few hike-a-bike-over-steep-slope sections. But it was an adventure nonetheless.

There is no accommodation (other than backcountry camping) between Merritt and Tulameen. Just outside of Brookmere there is still the Horse Motel, but that's just camping and even that didn't really look open (there was a "for rent" sign on the gate, but I don't know what that was for). In any case, the main point to my posting was that the Coley Creek Lodge in Brookmere is closed for good. It is undergoing redevelopment and is now called Marshall Springs Resort. It won't be open for a few years and when it does it will be a mix of rentals and condos. There is a web site for it to check its progress (google "Marshall Springs Resort")

June 12, 2005
13MR
July 10, 2005 Brookmere to Princeton Trip
Hi, Just got back yesterday from cycling Brookmere to Princeton (day 1) and also Osprey Lake to Princeton (day 2). Fabulous scenery ! can't wait to get back to ride again, despite some washboard road conditions for a ways just out of Brookmere and strong crosswinds most of the way to Tulameen. Tulameen to Princeton was my favourite part of the ride...spectacular ride along the River and the trail was very good as long as you watched for sharp rocks. The "all downhill" we'd heard made up the journey from Osprey Lake to Princeton was a long haul with having to ride (plough)through sand much of the way. It was still worthwhile as the views are awesome. I want to register for the July 10 TCT excursion and was wondering if anyone knows the average temperatures in this area? I've heard stories of horribly hot weather and am really hoping that they may not be the norm...any input? Thanks in advance
 June 7, 2005
Gail Dickson
Countrylane Campground
Hi! Dan, We have a campground on the KVR that is set up for cyclists.We would like to have it listed on your webpage and on your links page if possible.
It is at 65.3km between Penticton and Brookmere in Bankier on Link Lake.
For reservations please call (250)295-6898
It is the Countrylane Campground right on the trail.
Our website is www.linklake.com
If you could please mention it on your Cycling the KVR page and in your next addition of the book.
Thank you, Gail

June 5, 2005
Zacks Rooms-Creekside Camping zack2852@hotmail.com
Beaverdell Lodging-Camping
We were down but we are back if u need rooms or tenting we r open!
contact us thru r email or phone 250-484-5532 June 5th/05,
Life is good enjoy!

June 5, 2005
Ken Kure
Trestles in Myra?
What are the present conditions of the tressles/bridges in the Myra Canyon Area. This is my first attempt at the KVR and I want to go to a great section. Peolple told me this is the best, but fires burnt many tressles. Any suggestions ? I have 3 -4 days to do a section - what would you recommend.
June 3, 2005
Susan O'Rourke
bridges and fires what's been repaired
I'm planning to cycle Kettle Valley from princeton to Ospray Lake then Penticton. Just wondering if any of the trestle bridges in those areas were impacted by the fires two years ago and whether they have been repaired.

June 2, 2005
Alan Jacobs
Tire Size
Dear Mr. Langford, A friend and I are planning to cycle the KVR this summer and have each bought a copy of your book. If you don't mind, we have a question about the recommendation in the book regarding tire width. We will be cycling for 7 days, with loads, from about Hope to Castlegar, possibly continuing on to Nelson. At a local bike store in Vancouver (Reckless), we were advised by someone who has biked the trail to go with tires that were 40-45mm in width (hybrid diameter). Then we noted that you recommend at least 50mm tires for a multi-day trip with a load. We were wondering how much of a difference you think we'd feel between, say, 45 and 50mm. And we were wondering how strong you intend your recommendation to be -- should we take 50mm as the _absolute_ minimum if we want to be comfortable? Thank you for your time -- and for your terrific book, Alan Jacobs

May 31, 2005
Robin Marciszyn boharm@hotmail.com
NEW CAMPGROUND & CABIN IN GREENWOOD
We are just opening a new campground in Greenwood. We are located right behind the Anaconda Cafe .
We have tenting sites available.
We also have a cabin for rent. It has a queen bed, a double bed, and two double futons. Sleeps up to 8 comfortably. Complete with furnishings and all the comforts of home. Air conditioned. Bathroom has shower and tub, even towels. There are laundry facilities available. A beautiful view off the back deck, right beside the creek and slag pile.
We also have campers available for rent (stay here). Sleeps 3-4 comfortably, and is located right beside the creek.
We are located right on the Trans Canada Trail.
Greenwood has a lot of mining history to check out here, a museum, library, bar, convenience stores. There are a lot of heritabe homes, and other buildings here to check out. There of course is the Trail for hiking or biking, possibly try your luck gold panning.

Our address is:
707 Butte Avenue
PO Box 122
Greenwood, BC V0H 1J0
(250)445-2225 email: boharm@hotmail.com

Happy trails to you.
ROBIN'S NEST CAMPGROUND - GREENWOOD, BC

May 30, 2005
Richard Hudson
Jellicoe Station Inn
Hi, Dan:
 
    My name is Richard Hudson and I live at Osprey Lake. I have been perusing your site, and setting it up as a reference guide for cyclists and others using the KVR Railbed, and did notice several omissions you may consider adding to your site.
 
1. The Vermilion Trails Society, of which I am currently Vice President, is setting up a basic website and contact centre for the Princeton Subdivision. First, I would like your permission to use your link in both the site and the brochure I am designing and developing. Also, you may soon include www.vermiliontrailssociety.com in your Princeton links.
 
2. Jellicoe Station Inn, located midway between Princeton and Summerland right on the KVR has been a popular cyclist destination for over 7 years. Please check out their website at www.jellicoestationinn.com for more information. This is one B&B that should definately be included.
 
3. One of my companies is Kettle Valley Scenic ATV Excursions. We feature a unique opportunity to get off the main trail and explore and experience a backwoods tour. Please check out this site at www.kettlevalleyatv.com This site is currently being redone, and will be launched in the near future. (so much to do, so little time)
 
4. My other company is Princeton Shuttle Services. We offer services ranging from cyclist shuttles &/or vehicle shuttle and delivery to winery and estate tours, activity outings in the region and any other transportation needs in the region. We service all accommodation providers in the area, and this service is a must include. The current site is also in a holding pattern, but will soon be launched. (ditto)
 
5. The Town of Princeton has finally set up a comprehensive and up to date site at www.townofprinceton.com They are utilizing the services of Princton Technology Solutions, and for a complete list of activities, events, businesses, amentities and accommodation in Princeton, please check out and include this site as a primary reference.
 
6. The Three Lakes General Store has been closed for several years, and is currently for sale. We hope new owners will re-open the store soon, but there is no news of this yet. People are informed of the store, and are very dissapointed to find it closed, and often are left without resources because of this.
 
7. A popular tenting place is Stan and Gails Countrylane Campground, located at Link Lake. They would appreciate inclusion in your listings. www.townofprinceton/linklake
 
8. Another wonderful activity is Damon and Ainsley Beauchamp's BC Horse Vacations. www.bchorsevacations.com They offer a complete and comprehensive range of equestrian activities from day trips to long term excursions.
 
     Thank you very much Dan, and I look forward to your reply and comments. If I may be of any further assistance in this or any future matters, please do not hesitate to contact me anytime. The Three Lakes region of the KVR has one of the best destination and activity offerings in the entire system, and we find many cyclists, hikers and just visitors enjoy spending an extra day or two to experience some of the outings available.
 
May 24, 2005
B Fletcher
Myra Canyon Bypass
Victoria Day was an eyeopener for me and a friend when we cycled the Myra Canyon Bypass route. I had heard so many differing reports on the condition of the trail that I had to have my own look. We started at the east end of the route where Myra FSR bisects the KVR. At the moment there is a lot of water either running across or pooling in deep [some 12"] ruts on the road. After a few kms the signs directed us to the right onto what appears to be a reactivated road that featured many sappling stumps on the road surface. This section lasted for a couple of kms and then we were back onto another FSR which took us after about an hour and a half to the newly constructed [certainly not finished] connecting road. This new section is at this time very rough. After crossing Pooley creek on a new bridge [narrow] the climb up the opposing bank was steep and again very rough. Once we connected to the LIttle White FSR it was good riding on a relatively smooth surface with occasional muddy sections. I would access this bypass route as requiring at least intermediate mountain biking skills and at least a hardtail bike with aggressive tread pattern tires. Anyone planning to use this route should be well prepared for wilderness travel with tools for repair, food and water, raingear and possibly camping gear. It was cold at the top and the wind was blowing hard. This route in its present condition is absolutely not recommended for anyone pulling a trailer and rather suspect for anyone with saddlebags. This is not the KVR. It is very rough in places, very muddy [in May] in places and steep in places. If you do use this route you will be rewarded with some spectacular vistas as well as some rather ugly [but neccesary] logging practices. My friend and I were riding full suspension xc bikes. It took us about 2 hours to traverse this 15 km bypass. B. Fletcher

Map of Bypass

May 24, 2005
Katey
Motorized Vehicles
For the very first time ever I rode my bike on a short segment of the KVR last (May long) weekend. I sought out this site to see what the deal was regarding dirt bikes, etc. (I was under the impression it was for people-powered wheeled vehicles only; my companions thought otherwise just because we were the minority during our brief trek.) My experience in 'sharing the road' with ATVs & dirt bikes wasn't nice. Although I appreciate that coexistence would be best in a more cooperative world, it was a disappointment to get onto the trail with 4 eager, skilled, bicycle riding children & nearly have an aneurysm watching them nearly be knocked into the bushes or worse when encountering oncoming or coming from behind motor vehicle riders. I think everyone was trying their best to be well-mannered & considerate, but it just didn't work.

May 23, 2005
Dennis Osborne
KVR
How is the trail from Rock Creek to Myra Canyon, and where do I access the trail? I live in Oroville, Wa. Also, what is the distance of the ride?

May 22, 2005
Louise Middlemiss louise@idabellake.com
McCulloch Resort - Idabell Lake B&B
Hi Dan......... I noticed that on the Web site under (121.8 McCulloch Lake Resort) It says that they no longer cater to cyclists. Right now they don't, cause the sale settlement is still being held up by Government BS, which has now taken a whole year, and they will be open to the cyclists again as soon as they can open up for business which should be later into the summer....but in the mean time I'm still taking on as many cyclists as I can book in at Idabel Lake......If they don't mind taking that 4km detour to get here. Right now I have nothing booked for the summer. Can you pass that on.

For general info and temporary accommodations they can call me, as I will be working at the resort as soon as they open up. Phone: 1-250-765-0228 email info: louise@idabellake.com

May 19, 2005
Richard Johnson dickjohnson@shaw.ca
Christina Lake to Castlegar
I am planning on cycling the KVR and C&W from Beaverdell to either Grand Forks or Castlegar(traveling west to east) in June. I am planning to stay in various lodgings along the way, not camping. Originally I wanted to go to Castlegar but the stretch between Christina Lake and Castlegar is over 80 km without any place to stay. This is quite a long stretch, is it a reasonable ride for 1 day? I did the Princeton to Hope section of the KVR last September but the longest ride I did in 1 day was about 50km. I think I still had a few more KM in me but I’m not sure about 80km.

May 16, 2005
Carol Terry cterry@nethop.net.
Accommodation in Bankier
The B&B formerly known as Roxy's has been reopened. It is now called Birds of a Feather... . We are located across from the store at Bankier, between Chain and Link lakes. We have three private sleeping cabins and a number of tent sites, a central bath house with a shower and old fashioned claw-foot bath tub. We serve a full country breakfast. We look forward to meeting fellow cyclists, hikers, birders, fishermen and other lovers of the great out doors.
Phone 250 295-7676 or email cterry@nethop.net for reservations.

May 6, 2005
nick lanfear, thanfear@yahoo.com
Other recent rail rides
Hi all, Just returned from several good rides. We did the Shawnigan Lake-Lake Cowichan-Duncan rail trail (mostly trans canada trail/TCT) several weeks ago. Conditions were good albeit a bit wet in spots. The Kinsol trestle was wonderful!

The biggest snag along this route is the kinsol trestle bypass. Poorly signposted: I'm afraid we got lost...luckily after riding on unsigned logging roads we landed up in a residental area and talked to a motorist who directed us to Anderson road which is not marked with TCT signs! After that we were OK. Nice scenery but the forest was a bit overlogged in areas.

Last week we cycled the NK & S from Merritt-Spences Bridge. Great trail! We had permission to go through the first reserve from the band office. Other than a few road detours around the next 2 indian reserves the railbed is very easy to follow with wonderful scenery. The surface was excellent with only a few km of soft spots. I highly recommend this route & having done the whole C&W/KVR..this was one of the best routes I have ever ridden.

Happy Trails, Nick

May 23, 2005
Luke Siragusa, lucasiragusa@rogers.com
Cycling KVR Hope to Penticton
Good day everyone, and thank you Dan for this forum - it's a wonderful resource. June will find me touching down in Vancouver and, for a month, riding the Sunshine Coast, Vancouver Island, then eastward where I'll wind up the trip in Calgary. I'll be relying on hostels (preferable) and hotels/motels for accommodation -- no camping -- for the duration of the journey. And the setup is stripped down -- sort of a touring lite: The bike is a cyclocross; the luggage is a Carradice saddle bag with a few changes of clothes and essentials and a small backpack; and the tires are 700 x 32.

The general plan from Vancouver to Calgary is to trace Hwy 3 to Cranbook, then cut north to Radium Hot Springs, and on to Vermillion Crossing and Banff. The KVR was not originally on the itinerary, but it seems ideal for cycling. The Hope - Princeton - Summerhill/Penticton portion of the KVR is intriguing, but there are a few concerns. Specifically, the quality of the trail surface (will it generally be compatible with my setup?), and accommodation (Excluding campsites, what options are available between in the KVR segments between Hope/Princeton and Princeton/Penticton?).

Advice greatly appreciated. Thanks, Luke (lucasiragusa@rogers.com)

April 14, 2005
Randall J. Fox
Cycling Lodge for Overnight Accommodations
I am operating a new lodge in the Okanogan near Lumby and East of Vernon. It is easily accessible via highway 6. It can house up-to 20 cyclists or backpackers comfortably and has complete kitchen and recreation facilities. There is also a beautiful acreage for walking and outdoor recreation. We can provide catering and laundry services. We can also offer a range of bodywork to help relax those fatigued muscles (i.e., massage, Reki, homeopathy, etc.) at a nominal cost.
Randall J. Fox Proprietor
Centre for Extraordinary Outcomes
63 Begbie Road
Cherryville, BC (250) 547-0110

April 11, 2005

Christine Buchel, albuchel@hotmail.com
Trail conditions for child carrier.
Hello, Thank you for all of the great information. My husband and I are hoping to do parts of the KVR this June with our 14 month son riding in his chariot carrier. Are the trail conditions suitable for this "extra luggage", and does anyone have any info/advice from past experiences? Any advice on which portions of the trail would be best suited for this?

April 11, 2005
Andy
Motorized vehicles and loose gravel surfaces
Just a quick note to thank you all for the honest comments on this web page - in may and june I'm cycling from Vancouver east through the rockies and were considering the kvr as a possible route. the discussion from last september has convinced me that we should not go anywhere near the kvr.
Firstly the loose surfaces - gravel makes cyclists fall off, and then its a thoroughly unpleasant surface to land on, loose gravel means that you spend your days watching the trail ahead like a hawk - missing the scenery, missing the wildlife. Then a moments inattention, on a corner, at a bridge, a gate, and youre wondering where all the skin on your knees and elbows has gone. Basically, cyclists (particularly loaded touring cyclists) require a reasonably hard packed surface - if the kvr trail does not have this then cyclists have been excluded.
Secondly, atv's/cars/automobiles etc. To allow these things on recreational trails is akin to allowing handguns to be openly carried by adults at a childrens playground. Of course the atv users will tell us that they are responsible citizens and the vast majority of them probably are but it only takes one idiot and some cyclists going home in a wooden box. The glory of the rail trails in the rest of the world is the freedom to ride without one eye on the road behind you - without the constant awareness of danger and without the knowledge that one single idiot/reckless person/drinker will have you. Furthermore, is it not the case that someone who wishes to drive irresponsibly will regard the kvr as a delightful police-free zone in which to do so? I believe that there should be provision for people to enjoy atv driving but it needs to be understood that you either exclude atv's or, by default, you exclude cyclists. In this case, the kvr is an atv trail, which is fine. Auto drivers please enjoy it - meanwhile i'll be enjoying the highways.

April 2, 2005
Nancy Shea
Link Lake Campground
Hi Dan, Your Cycling the KVR book has been an excellent resource! Thanks. Most recently a group of us did Summerland to Hope and if it wasn't for the book, I'm sure we'd still be lost on that stretch beside the Coquihalla. What a nightmare!
Anyway, I wanted to let you know about the "Link Lake Lady." On page 121 of the 3rd edition you mention the campground (Country Lane Campground), but you might want to add some more info (to the website too). The lady who runs this campground which is right on Link Lake is fabulous. She takes ONLY cyclists which, of course, is cool in itself. There are great bathrooms (clean) with showers (nice hot water) and they've built a great shelter complete with a picnic table, couch, and chair; there's also a complete kitchen with running water, a fridge, a hotplate, microwave, plates, cutlery, glasses, pots, a kettle, a toaster, and pretty much anything else you'd need. All this, and only $5 a head! Her email is linklakelady@msn.com; phone 250 295-6898. The address is 138 Country Lane. I remember it was a little difficult finding her, so that info needs to be added to the book as well. If people continue on past Osprey Lake, they access Country Lane Campground on the left side of the KVR. Sorry I can't remember any more details than that. I think she does have signage up along the way though, so that does help.
Hope you can use this info. Thanks again for all your useful details. Nancy
PS - there's a great restaurant (big tasty meals for cheap) in the back of the Tulameen General Store
PSS - Burt Sharkey's is pretty cool - great huge shelter and makeshift bathroom & shower, but still rather rustic & hard to find a flat spot for the tent.
PSSS- Also just wanted to let you know that the Trout Creek trestle has now been surfaced and has guard rails.

March 6, 2005
Pete pete111@telus.net
Osprey Lake Lodge B&B Information
Does anybody have any information they can share on the Lodge from their past visits. Thank you

March 5, 2005
Stephen Webb c-swebb@telus.net
Trail Condition
Hello Dan, Sandra 'n All....here's hoping that the bikes 'n gears are all over the workbench getting a good overhaul and that all backsides are getting 'ride-ready'....not to worry if a few ball bearings go missing, it won't make much-of-a-difference anyhow! I'm having difficulty harnessing my excitement about trestle rebuilds and 'full-pull' trail upgrades.......Q: does anyone know what's been done and what to look forward to. I can't find any recent updates as to the condition of our sacred KVR.....all the dependable 'updaters' must be out busy on the trail! Cheers, and use real grease...... Steve-in-Vancouver

Feb 28, 2005
Leon Lebrun southwest@trailsbc.ca
Trans Canada Trail Challenges 2005 Invitation
Trails BC is proud to announce two new Trans Canada Trail Challenge events in 2005. These events follow in the successful footsteps of the two previous editions staged in 2003 and 2004. They marked the official opening of significant portions of the Trans Canada Trail through the Coquihalla Summit along the Coquihalla River east of Hope and the Chilliwack River Valley between Chilliwack and Chilliwack Lake. A total of more than 650 people participated in these first two events. Many have participated in both events.

The Brookmere to Princeton event on Sunday, July 10 will take place in the Okanagan region of the province. It follows a 53-kilometre course along the renowned Kettle Valley Railway. Participants will be bussed from the finish line in Princeton to their chosen starting point between Princeton and near the historical railway station, Brookmere. The full course of each event is between 53 and 55 km. You can choose to walk, bike, ride, or run a shorter distance. The level of difficulty for both courses is considered easy to moderate for a trail experience.

Go to the Trails BC website, www.trailsbc.ca (or more directly TCT Challenges 2005) for more information and to register on-line, by fax or by regular mail.

Feb 22, 2005
Stefan Neumeier s.r.neumeier@gmx.de
Other trail systems suitable for a 3-4 week bicycle tour
Hello, I cycled the Kettle Valley Railway in summer 2003 and really enjoyed the trip. Now I am planning my next tour and would be glad if someone could give me a few hints of other similar routes (no or only moderate traffic, not overcrowded, etc.) suitable for a 3-4 week bicycle trip in Canada or the USA as such information are very dificult to get here in Germany.
Many thanks, Stefan

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